on having a NON musa team from st. louis in our tourney. i didnt like when arkansas was invited but they werent that good. this team from st. louis will DESTROY 95% of our teams. st. louis has a tourney to determine the winner of their leauge (that they pay for) then have a nationwide invite tourney. would you want to lose ur first game 18-0 to a traveling pro team that doesnt even pay for, or have anything to do with musa. i wouldnt.

The tourney should be kept to MUSA teams from MUSA leagues that pay to enter the league. The MUSA tourney never has, nor should it be, a national tournament. The winner of the MUSA tournament can go play these "pro" teams. Why keep messing with a good thing?

if they're as good as you say they are, and i trust your insight, i don't like the idea of a STL pro team at EOS, but i'd love to see the EOS winner face them in a nationwide tourney, or even just head to head for bragging rights.

You realize pro team is a label right? So quit obsessing on that point. No, I didnt see them play but really, this is a competitive tourney correct? Why not try and get other teams in that are willing to travel to see how we do things here? In the end its 48 teams lacing em up and seeing how it all finishes out. I have confidence that our top teams can stack up against anybody, and if I am wrong, the downside is probably a great day of games anyways. From amping up the skill level of the tourney, partying with other leagues and the potential to perhaps create something bigger and better, i feel it is worth the experimentation with these at large bids.

I agree with Lord Kickball. This is a team of all their best players. Sounds like they have regular practices. We have some good teams in this league but other than Superdudes no one has put together an all star team. So it's not going to be a fair matchup for most. Our teams play together in the spring and fall and don't have practices. I think it would suck to get knocked out early by this team. I guess we kind of have the advantage as we're playing by our rules but still I don't like it.

they are a hand picked team of allstars from a comparable league to ours. they have tryouts, practices, and are "paid" (PRO) to travel the country and win kickball tournaments. the only "game", not tournament they have not won in there 2 year existence is to us 1-0. sure would suck to have them on your side of the bracket, i hope we dont.

This sounds like a team that should have been invited to the Premium League Tournament, not the Spring or Fall EOS.

I like your ideas, commish. I guess i was under the impression that inviting a team of all-stars who would be a final four team year after year would take a lot of the MKE out of our EOS. My vision of MUSAs future was that MKE would keep its 48 team tourney, and we would qualify the top 1 or 2 teams for a national tourney whose location would be centralized or on an annual rotation. My cautiousness for letting a STL all-star team into our MKE EOS was based on the assumption that they would cruise into the fourth round with 40 RF and 0 RA. Is this the case? Probably not.

If a team from STL (or any other city) plays through a regular season, wins their tourney, and wants a bid into MKE, i'll welcome them, no matter what league they're from. You're right, it'll definitely bring MUSA to a larger audience. I don't want a scout to comb the chicago suburbs, creating a team whose only reason for being is to enter our EOS.

I thought I would never say this but I agree with the Lord on this one. But at least no matter what happens, we won't cancel our party, or accuse anyone of crimes, or ban their freedom of speech on our website. Arkansas amps up the party, these clowns don't do much for me. For one day, I will be a Super Dudes fan, amongst 48 other MUSA teams. With that being said, I have to go spit the vomit out of my mouth.

sounds like their ticket has been punched. is this true mundo?

This "Pro" team lost to a hodge podge group of upper tier MUSA'ites who traveled and won on their turf, with their rules, etc.

Not sure they would "destroy" 95% of our teams. I think if the rumors are true regarding bunting, simply defend against it and the top 15 or so MUSA teams are either on the same level or better. Plus as we all know a few key plays will make or break a game.

Without opening up too much of what has already been discussed many times, the GL Tourney is a free tourney, nobody is paying extra to play in it. I know many of you top level players could care less about the 48th team from WDE who makes the tourney, so lets not be hipocritical here about one non-MUSA bid. Sounds like fear of losing more then anything.

my main point here nelly is why not determine the best of the best in our own league. then invite whoever the hell else in a different tourney, exactly like st louis does it.

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my main point here nelly is why not determine the best of the best in our own league. then invite whoever the hell else in a different tourney, exactly like st louis does it.

essentially, that has been more or less figured out between doing a bunch of these tournies where its very likely one of 4 or 5 teams that actually win the whole thing and are the best in the league. my feeling is that we have one of the best tournies in the country and if folks are going to travel, we might as well give em our best show with the whole EOS experience. hopes are to improve upon this as well so the spring and fall are even better than the current format. some of that includes plans to experiment with division formats and weightings in line with some of the principles discussed in that thread. when this tourney was formed, the concept was really just another excuse to get folks together, not necessarily hammer out who is the best. as things have become more competitive, (which is fine to a degree since folks keep the underlying context in mind and mitigate most dickhead behavior) IMO it follows that if we can get good teams from other organizations to participate, we will have improved the quality of the tourney. we are also considering adding a second tier tourney as part of the weekend in the future, sort of similar to the NIT tourney. It would all wrap up on Saturday together with prelim games on Friday night. if it were me and my best kickball years werent behind me and i played on a competitive team, i would be excited to test that against other teams from other leagues. we may try and develop an invitational well and maybe if that works out, the GL tourney will stop having these bids handed out.

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my main point here nelly is why not determine the best of the best in our own league. then invite whoever the hell else in a different tourney, exactly like st louis does it.

Yeah I see where you are coming from, it would suck to get bounced by these guys early if you think you have a chance at making a run. But that being said this team is given too much credit as they have never played with our rules before, and many of the teams in MUSA are "all-star" teams as well. These teams are made up of good players that have hundreds of games under their belts.

I mean yeah, they would trounce Club G's, but you think they are going to come in and beat Prestige Worldwide like 12-0? Very unlikely.

And even if they did win it all, it would lead to some fun banter!

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my main point here nelly is why not determine the best of the best in our own league. then invite whoever the hell else in a different tourney, exactly like st louis does it.

Yeah I see where you are coming from, it would suck to get bounced by these guys early if you think you have a chance at making a run. But that being said this team is given too much credit as they have never played with our rules before, and many of the teams in MUSA are "all-star" teams as well. These teams are made up of good players that have hundreds of games under their belts.

I mean yeah, they would trounce Club G's, but you think they are going to come in and beat Prestige Worldwide like 12-0? Very unlikely.

And even if they did win it all, it would lead to some fun banter!

PW did lay a huge dump at spring EOS though Nelly. Kind of a bad example.

They lost to the Spankers though, which is another squad this St Louis team would have problems with.

The SuperDudes should be all for this, they will no longer be the villians of the tourney...

I know time is a bit of an issue, BUT...doesn't MN MUSA have their own tourney? Doesn't Madison MUSA have their own tourney? Why can't Milwaukee have our own tourney with 36 teams or so, then have a tourney the following weekend with the best of the best from wherever? Invite the other cities and fill in the rest with Milwaukee teams that performed the best in our Tourney.

C'mon Danger....the EOS pretty much is a milwaukee tourney. it's not like any of these out of town teams actually have a shot at the GL.

Right..."pretty much". Personally, I don't have a problem with things as there are now. But if you open it up to more and more teams outside of Milwaukee, then suddenly less Milwaukee teams make it and these other teams now do have a shot at the GL.

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Right..."pretty much". Personally, I don't have a problem with things as there are now. But if you open it up to more and more teams outside of Milwaukee, then suddenly less Milwaukee teams make it and these other teams now do have a shot at the GL.

If i get enough critical mass to do a more national tourney outside of the GL no problem. but right now some folks are freaking out about one or two bids. as the mothership, i dont plan to go the way of MN or Mad and have a Milwaukee tourney. It would basically be the same tourney as a do over.